In episode 60 of the GHOGH podcast, Jamarlin Martin goes solo and talks about Facebook’s ban on Minister Louis Farrakhan and whether or not Barack Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was always right.

Jamarlin looks at then-Sen. Obama’s speech, “A More Perfect Union,” which addressed Rev. Wright’s views that white racism was endemic to America.

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Jamarlin goes solo and talks about Facebook’s ban on Minister Louis Farrakhan and whether or not Barack Obama’s pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, was always right. Jamarlin looks at then-Sen. Obama’s speech, “A More Perfect Union,” which addressed Rev. Wright’s views that white racism was endemic to America.

This is a full transcript of the conversation which has been lightly edited for clarity.

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Jamarlin Martin: Today, is going to be a solo podcast. And the title of this podcast is “Facebook And Rev. Wright Was Always Right”. So let’s dive right into Facebook. So Facebook, they come out with a ban against Minister Louis Farrakhan. And they also ban so called alt right folks or far right people like Alex Jones. There’s some other folks in there, but it seems like they had to deliver someone that’s not on the so called alt right or far right. They have to deliver something to make it seem like it was even. So, Farrakhan was sacrificed, in a sense where, when their people get banned, they’re going to come back and say, look at the Black people over here talking about this, talking about that. So this has been going on for a while.

Jamarlin Martin: So of course I’ve been in tech and digital media for a very long time. This kind of back and forth over censorship issues has been going on and they’ve been calling for Farrakhan every time they get arrested. When the Facebook police arrests members of their community for saying something that’s edgy or racist or whatever, they want to find people in the Black community who, hey, look at them, look at them over there. So this Facebook censorship move, this is a big deal. This is not something to play with. This is a really big deal. And your leaders are too old. Many of them are too old and too compromised and too conflicted and too selfish to get a handle on this issue. For example, Chuck Schumer, Facebook donated, tens of thousands of dollars to his campaign. His daughter works at Facebook. You guys loved the Democratic Party. Well, one of your leaders or the leader in the Senate that’s banging for the Democratic Party. He’s taking money from Facebook. He’s giggling with Facebook. His daughter gets a job at Facebook. And when Mark Warner, a senator from Virginia, wants to investigate Facebook, he tells Mark Warner to back off. Nancy Pelosi, after the scandals breakout, her and her husband, the Pelosi family’s buying millions of dollars of Facebook stock. They don’t care about the headlines. They don’t care about Cambridge Analytica. They don’t care that the election could have been altered with Facebook’s greed. And they don’t really care about policing Facebook because a lot of your democratic political leaders, they’re in the bed with Facebook. Facebook has a big wallet. They have hundreds of lobbyists, they even hired a guy by the name of Neil Potts, who’s their head lobbyist now in D.C., their head of public policy.

04:25 —Jamarlin Martin: So they put the Black guy out front to see if they can get lower fines or a lower penalty. It’s probably going to look better with a Black guy. A lot of times they call us when it’s time to get some leniency. So now you want to be about diversity, now that you’re in trouble. So you’re going to get a Black guy out there to lobby for you, right? So that people see a Black guy, maybe I don’t go as hard on Facebook because look, they’re hiring a Black guy. So this Facebook issue needs to be put in the context of mass incarceration. So let’s rewind the track here. You’re congressional Black Caucus all-stars boot-licking Charlie Rangle. And many of them, they are in the bed with the Clintons. They prayed to the Clintons, right?

Jamarlin Martin: They need the Clintons. They love the Clintons, right? So, many of them supported mass incarceration or the Clinton Crime Bill, which was a big piece of mass incarceration, set things in motion, set it up. So at the time your Negro leaders, they must not have an understanding of the history of America where if there’s some good ideas that can come up where, “Hey, it sounds good, we’re going to reduce the crime in the hood and the crime is going to go down and all the bad people are gonna be put bars and this and that, and everything’s going to be fair.” The right way that a leader is looking at these issues in real time, and is that even if an idea’s a good idea, we have to think about the implementation. Do you trust this beast here in the United States?

Jamarlin Martin: Do you trust this beast to implement something fairly? So if you’re going to go start locking people up and give Bill Clinton what he wants politically. So, Trump has “build the wall”, but Bill Clinton had his own “build the wall” in terms of Sister Souljah and how he manipulated that issue, and how he manipulated the Clinton Crime Bill. Hey, I can pull some of these MAGA voters in if I’m tough on crime, if I’m tough on you. Okay. So the Congressional Black Caucus, they go along with this. There wasn’t a big consideration that can we really trust the, the structure and the system in America to implement this reasonably, fairly or, this piece has not changed, right? Clinton’s elected, but the beast, the systems, the structure, it doesn’t change, right? The structure is the same. So the mindsets are the same. The Negroes and their allies in the Democratic Party, they get it wrong. And the way people treat mistakes nowadays. Someone pushes for the Iraq war, they get that wrong. Someone pushes for mass incarceration, they get that wrong. So what? The culture in America is, there’s no accountability. You can get things wrong that ends up murdering hundreds of thousands of people, destroying hundreds of thousands of families, Black families. You can make big mistakes as a politician, but when the burden is on our people or in Iraq’s case, Iraqi people, the American mindset is they don’t care. Hey, some people died. We made a mistake. It’s like, I stepped on someone’s foot at the club. I’m sorry.

08:23 —Jamarlin Martin: So America, there’s, there’s been not a lot of accountability. So what does this have to do with Facebook? Over the last couple of years you’ve had Negro leaders saying they want more censorship. So your Alyssa Milano’s, your Hollywood, San Francisco white liberals, they’ve been calling for a lot of censorship, right? In their mind, yes, we got to stop racism. We got to stop all this stuff. So I’m not blaming them for saying that, right? That’s because of their experience, their journey in America. So they’re speaking about their specific experiences. They don’t have the depth or the history that you do. So when they say, hey, we need to stop their racism and we need to stop this on social media, on YouTube and Facebook, that could be a good idea for them in terms of the, these liberals over here. Okay. But for you, you’ve got a different position. Although America and the Liberals are trying to blend you together where you’re just like them, you have the same mind, you’re all in this together. They are trying to put you in a pot of gumbo where all the Americans are the same. Okay? So when you go into that mindset, you’re back into the mass incarceration. You think they’re going to implement this fairly. So you have Negroes over the last two years talking about, “YouTube should go arrest this Black person, and I want this person censored and I want this person off the platform. I want this singer off the platform and I want YouTube and Spotify and Facebook to censor this person and censor that person.”

Jamarlin Martin: If you’re advocating for censorship, and yes, censorship against conservatives and racists, you have to think about what, what the hell do you think is going to happen? How do you think that’s going to be implemented by Silicon Valley? How do you think does going to be implemented in the power structure of San Francisco? How do you think the Mecca of white supremacy out of Silicon Valley in San Francisco, that’s where the power and wealth is concentrated. It’s around technology. This is where the Mecca of white supremacy is being programmed for the future. Essentially, they’re programming how things are going to be structured, designed and worked for the future. If you’re not even on the censorship team… Are you on the Facebook censorship team? Are you on the police force? Do they got real Black people giving input in terms of censorship? No, you’re not even on the censorship team, so how could you be, “I want to police this and I want this racist person off the platform. I want this person. I want that person.” So what these people are going to do, the Negro doesn’t really change much. What Charlie Rangle did and what I’ve seen Negroes doing with this censorship, they’re calling for more censorship. They want Google, Facebook, Spotify, they want them to start censoring people. Okay? They want a really big censorship police force. So what happens is predictable, and I’ve been talking about it for multiple years about the danger of Black people pushing for online censorship. So back to the Facebook ban. It’s, I know a lot of people want to get spooky, like it’s some type of conspiracy and they’re targeting Farrakhan and all this other stuff. No, I don’t believe in that.

12:16 —Jamarlin Martin: Okay. Because I’ve been watching this stuff for over a decade. So before the Farrakhan ban came out, USA Today published an article and profiled how Facebook is policing Black activists online. So the activists will say that they’ve been “Zucked”, right? So the way the algorithm works and the way he censors, the censorship police work at these institutions is they don’t differentiate between Nat Turner and his slave master. Let me explain that if it needs explaining for you. So the slave and the slave master goes under the same law. So the system, the structure, the people, if they’re putting the boot on your neck, structurally, systemically, if you’re trying to get that boot off your neck aggressively, you’re going to jail. The boot going on your neck is going to be treated the same way as you trying to get the boot off the neck. Okay?

Jamarlin Martin: So that’s why the censorship pushed by Negroes is so dangerous. You would need to really understand the history to say, “Hold up”. Even if Roseanne Barr uses the n-word, even if these people see these things or whatever, you better be careful because what they’re gonna do is they’re going to tighten up in Frankenstein the people with money, jobs, economic insecurity, and their algorithms, what shows up in the search engines, what’s allowed on social media. They’re going to Frankenstein the people in force you into, you have to be like Cory Booker. You have to be like Bakari Sellers on CNN who called the great congresswoman Omar ignorant for speaking up against AIPAC. So the checks and the people who are going to be allowed to speak, they’re not going to be about freedom, justice and equality. The people that are going to be allowed to speak online, on social media, if you keep on pushing the censorship stuff is going to be people who are non-threatening. It’s going to be people who cannot really confront the power establishment, the real people who are designing and running this structure in America.

Jamarlin Martin: So you have to be very, very careful with these Negroes pushing for more censorship. You have seen over the last couple of years a situation where Lamont Hill, he speaks up for the Palestinians at the United Nations. He, he loses his job at CNN, Tamika Mallory, she wants to build bridges with Minister Louis Farrakhan. Alyssa Milano and the San Francisco and Hollywood liberals, they say they won’t associate with Tamika Mallory because she’s associating with this religious leader. Okay. So they have the ability with the power structure within the Democratic Party and the culture and business where they can, whether it’s intentional or not, it doesn’t matter. So they can mold Black thought, where we want Black people to go to this side. We want them to be non-threatening. Okay. So let me give you an example. So Lamont Hill is not allowed to speak up for the Palestinians, right? So CNN is not gonna allow that. You gotta be, in most cases, a super Negro to be endorsed by CNN at this point. Tamika Mallory, no, you’re not allowed to associate with Farrakhan. So if they are pulling the checks back, if you have a certain point of view, if you’re threatening the U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, if you have a view that that’s not very popular with a lot of elites and the establishment that’s very supportive of a particular view, of an apartheid point of view. So I pull back the check, I pull back your jobs, I pull back this, I cut you off from communicating on Facebook. The people are locked into the system. The data’s all there, that people are already comfortable. Now I’m going to block you off from communicating about things related to real freedom, justice and equality. If you really bangin’ about this stuff, they have the ability of course to cut you off.

17:13 —Jamarlin Martin: So, why is it so dangerous? And why is this Facebook thing part of a pattern? Well, as many of you know, AIPAC, the lobby group with about a $100 million budget, but the members have a lot more power and resources than that. But the lobby itself has about $100 million dollar budget. So they have invested heavily on institutionalizing their point of view on historically Black colleges, for example. So the Palestinian group or the Black nationalist side. They don’t have a budget, right? So they go into the HBCU campuses, they start spending money, they start recruiting people like Bakari Sellers and, and others. They give them resources, they take them to Israel. And so what happens is Bakari Sellers comes out and he starts condemning Omar, and he doesn’t disclose that he’s on the national council of AIPAC. So the Black people are being put out in the culture and being trained. They’re being trained to be pro-AIPAC, to not care, if the Israelis murder about a hundred Palestinians, don’t say anything, because you’re gonna mess up your checks, you’re gonna mess up your job and you’re going to mess up the embrace of the elite establishment in the United States. You are seeing them go on the Black college campuses, on the Morehouse, on the Spelman, and they’re recruiting Black students who see opportunities. They see, hey, this could help my career, this could help my political career. So AIPAC gets their claws into the Black students, like a Bakari Sellers and others, and their mission is to trick you into supporting one side. And so whether it’s the employment at CNN or the million women’s march, or AIPAC being on the campus, but the opposing side is not on the campus.

Jamarlin Martin: What this is leading to is imbalances. So the, the wealthy and the powerful, they can control the messaging. They can Frankenstein the Black population. Because you want money, you want money like them. So if they are the bosses, they control the institutions. They control what you see, what you hear in a lot of cases. That’s what makes this Facebook thing so dangerous. So if you’re out there talking about Silicon Valley, you’re out there talking about white supremacy. The Negroes pushing for censorship. All that’s gonna do is your people are going to jail first. Now you may see Alex Jones and some racist white folks go to the censorship police department and they get banned. But Negroes, you going to jail too. Your best, your most courageous soldiers and thinkers, you’re setting up an online mass incarceration for them. So, we have to be very, very careful of the censorship moves out of Silicon Valley.

Jamarlin Martin: The last point I want to make about Facebook is that it’s not me saying that you can’t trust Facebook to be the sensor. So if Facebook in the people who are on these teams, if they’re the ones doing the policing, then it’s better to have less policing in general because it’s going to have a disproportionate impact on us. And so it’s not just me saying this, you would have to go to the U.S. government. So the U.S. government has come out and said that Wells Fargo was systemically discriminating against Black loan applicants. The U.S. government sued Honda Motors for being biased in their auto financing program. The U.S. government was gonna look into Airbnb because of a systemic apartheid system where if the natural American behavior plays itself out on these tech platforms, you will see that mindset creating a structure that was not even intended, but it’s the natural American mindset. You let it kind of germinate or fertilize. And airbnb had a big problem with white apartment owners or condo owners or house owners. They did not want any Black people on their house or apartment. And so it was a systemic problem. They called in Eric Holder. So, you see this over and over again. So the point is, the algorithms and the censorship teams, you need to expect the worst based on the true history of America.

22:42 —Jamarlin Martin: Okay. We’re going to tackle Barack Obama and Rev. Wright right now. And so I went back and looked at Obama’s, speech when he got busted for being a follower of Rev. Wright for 20 years. So the speech was called “A More Perfect Union”. That was the speech. And so the establishment busted him. They said, look are you really backing Rev. Wright who says, “God Damn America”? And he’s talking about racism and white supremacy. “Obama, is that really you?” So the establishment was like, “What’s up Obama?” And so Obama came with this speech that the establishment loved, right? So man, he had to bail himself out because, is this guy really about all Americans? Is he really kind of one of us? Right? So the Joe Biden and the MAGA lite voter, they were feeling insecure about hey, is this guy a radical? Could he be about that life speaking up hard for Black people? Could he have a hidden agenda where he really wants to bang for his people and bang against white supremacy?

Jamarlin Martin: Okay. So Obama comes out with this speech, and what he said, let me, let me pull this up here. And so many words that Rev. Wright was acting like white racism was endemic to America. And so Obama said he did not believe white racism was endemic to America. And so let’s go to the definition and break this down. Of a disease or condition regularly found among particular people or in a certain area belonging or native to a particular people or a country. Characteristic of prevalent in a particular field, area or environment. Restricted are peculiar to a locality or region. You may not even know that Obama said that. So, how I look at Obama’s lie. This was a lie. Obama didn’t really believe that. Okay. So Obama, this is the guy that took Malcolm X speeches from the movie Malcolm X, or took words from the movie Malcolm X where he’s copying Malcolm X and his speeches to get voters lined up. His mind naturally references Malcolm X. In Barack Obama’s book that came out in 1995, “Dreams from my Father”. And I read this book several years ago and I knew Barack Obama had put a battery pack on himself, meaning that Barack Obama has tapped into a knowledge of self. Okay? The Republicans were right, meaning that the Barack Obama that was presented to America, there was someone else inside that mind and body that had tapped into a knowledge of self. The same knowledge of self or similar knowledge of self as Malcolm X. It different, it’s more closer to the establishment wanting to work within the system. But Barack Obama tapped into the same source that Malcolm X tapped into. So here’s Barack Obama in his book, “Dreams from my Father”.

27:01 —Jamarlin Martin: He’s talking about the Nation of Islam and the Final Call newspaper. “I would occasionally pick up the paper from the unfailingly polite man in part out of sympathy to their heavy suits in the summer, their thin coats in winter or sometimes because my attention was caught by the sensational tabloid style headlines. ‘Caucasian woman admits whites are the devil’. Inside the front cover, one found reprints of the minister’s speeches as well as stories that could have been picked straight off the AP news wire were it not for certain editorial embellishments. ‘Jewish Senator Metzenbaum announced today’. The paper also carried a health section complete with Minister Farrakhan’s pork-free recites, advertisements for Minister Farrakhan’s speeches on videocassette (Visa or Mastercard accepted) and promotions for a line of toiletries, toothpaste and the like that the Nation had launched under the brand name POWER, part of a strategy to encourage Blacks to keep their money within their own community.”

Jamarlin Martin: Okay. In Barack Obama’s mind, he says in the book, I just picked up a couple of papers, but this guy is not telling you. This guy loved the paper. Okay. This guy used to read Final Call in Chicago. Okay. This guy has read Message to the Black Man. Okay. This guy was not who he presented to America. Okay. So I saw some of these things, right. And I said, this guy is not your regular Negro politician. I said, this guy has something in him where this is something special. He has tapped into a knowledge of self. Okay. And it’s clear to me that this was my conclusion after collecting all the information and I said, there was something in Barack Obama where he was not your typical Negro politician. Okay. So when Barack Obama says that white racism is not endemic to America, he lied. He lied to get the Joe Biden MAGA lite voter. He needed to lie to get elected. Many in the Black community understood that. Many understood that hey, he’s a politician. He may have to do what he had to do to pull in that Joe Biden, that MAGA lite voter. Politicians sometimes, yes, they need to lie. And for him, a guy who’s been attending Rev. Wright’s Church for 20 years where the Rev. Wright baptized his daughter. He sat at those Rev. Wright speeches for two decades. This is a guy who was telling you in his book in 1995 that he used to pick up the Final Call. He memorizes a lot of the content in the Final Call. And particularly he would memorize the Mastercard and Visa section where you can order the cassettes. Yes, I believe a 90 percent chance Barack Obama has ordered cassettes of Minister Farrakhan.

Jamarlin Martin: Barack Obama says that white racism is not in Dimmick to America when he steps away from Rev. Wright. Here’s why that was a shrewd political move, an effective political move that was a smart political move. That was the strategic politician thing to do, to hook as many white people as he could. He needed to hook them into believing that, hey, I’m not radical. That’s not me. I’m not radical. I’m safe. Right? He needed the hook the other side, like you get hooked, like they hook you and come eat chicken with you or visit your churches at election time. He needed to hook the other side. And so he had the lie. He had to lie and say that white racism was not endemic to America. But here’s why that’s dangerous. And it was not clear at the time that Barack Obama had to lie and say that, where they were coming after him over Rev. Wright, where the tradeoff is, hey, that helped Barack Obama win. Right. He did a lot of good things, in my view, he did a lot of good things considering the situation. This is on the positive side, right? So on the negative side, many of our people, they started taking Barack Obama as a religious figure. So the people have a spiritual, religious grounding going back generations. The people want to believe, the people want faith, right? This is where the people come from. And so when Barack Obama came, a lot of our people started thinking about him as like a religious figure. So Barack Obama is lying about racism is not a big deal. It’s not endemic in America. So he’s lying for a particular political purpose to get into power. In his mind, let’s get into power. Let’s focus on the big picture. I’m going to lie to these white folks. Rev. Wright’s not me. Black nationalism, whatever, never had a history with that.

32:42 —Jamarlin Martin: He needs to cover that stuff up to get elected in America. This is where the country is. So, in his mind most likely, hey, I need the lie to get to that and to do the good. I need to trick them. So if Barack Obama lies to the people and says that this is a country that allows, or Michelle Obama in her speech, allows for a descendant of slaves to be in the White House, this proves Michelle Obama’s claim and in some ways, Barack Obama, is that because America allowed a Black family into the White House. This shows how gracious, how great America is. Because look, you got Black folks in the White House. This makes America great, and it’s proof that the country is progressing. And so what happens is Michelle and Obama, they’re speaking to a broad audience and they have to hook people.

Jamarlin Martin: They have to kind of play a mainstream role in that position in their mind. So they have to speak to everybody and kind of be in the middle of the road, right? So they’re no longer just for Black folks. We’re for the entire country. So we have to kind of play it safe in a sense. So here’s the danger. So if Barack and Michelle are operating politically and making political statements and saying that, “Hey, white racism is not endemic in America.” If the people are looking at him as a religious figure and they’re looking at him as a Messiah, that people are drunk on Barack Obama, they can’t get enough of Barack Obama. So if the people are intoxicated with Barack Obama, when he makes lies or when he makes political statements that looks at, in his mind, the big picture, some of the people can take that speech or those words as if the structure and the systems are changing.

Jamarlin Martin: Many of our people, they have a bias towards symbolism over substance, symbolism over structural reform. So Obama may be lying to hook groups of voters and to get elected. But the, some of the people, many of the people, if they take those words and they start thinking, “Man, America’s changing. And look at Barack Obama and Michelle, look at that Black family in the White House.” Well, if they take those words as truth and these people are looking at Barack Obama as the next Messiah, the people go to sleep because the systems are not changing as fast as the symbolism. So you have faith, you hope that this is a sign of progress, we’ll take that. But the danger is, you can systemically put the people to sleep. And so, Barack Obama, obviously there’s many positive aspects to his presidency, but on the negative side, his words, his political words, some of his lies to get elected. And even after the election in terms of some of Michelle Obama’s words, in terms of her talking about how grateful she is and America is this and America is that. You could put the people to sleep. Okay. You’ve done a lot of damage in terms of making people believe that the systems and the algorithms and the structure and the financial institutions and the loan managers and the folks who are hiring and firing all throughout the economy, this stuff is not moving.

36:41 —Jamarlin Martin: Okay. Because Michelle and Barack go in there, and the only reason they got in there, in my view, is America was falling apart, right? So Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, you have the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Barack Obama doesn’t become president unless some white folks, enough white folks are thinking that, hey, I may not really like the idea of a Black president and a Black first lady, chocolate Black first lady. I may not like that idea, but I can’t be stupid and vote for the same leadership where America could go. Meaning that people were really thinking that you could see a financial collapse that was much harsher than what actually happened. So certain voters were practical in terms of, hey, I may not be fond of the idea of a Black family in the White House, but I still want to eat. I still want to go to work. I want the system to stabilize. So in this case, I can’t keep on voting for the same Republicans that help put the people in this mess.

Jamarlin Martin: There’s plenty of evidence that the people were put to sleep. So you have people talking about post racial America. America’s getting beyond race. America’s making so much progress. Look at Barack Obama, look at Michelle Obama, but that friction you see in Black America is the friction between symbolism and structural reform. And so the good thing about going through eight years of Barack Obama is the people get to see, hey, you put symbolism and you put Barack Obama in place. You put Michelle there. Let’s see with eight years of that, let’s see how the systems and the structure moves in the United States. And so the after eight years the people were hoping that the systems and the structure would change. Obviously, Barack Obama had a lot of opposition. He tried to do many things that couldn’t get any traction because of the hostility from Republicans. But the people got to see that, hey, you put a Black person in there, this is how much that can move. And so now the people run a Cory Booker or they run a Kamala Harris, the Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, they’re hurt now because the people didn’t see enough change.

Jamarlin Martin: And the people in a lot of cases, they’re not hearing what you Negro elites are talking about. Waiting 50 years and little step here, a little step there. That is an elitist position that the people can wait 40, 50 years and keep on nibbling at freedom, justice and equality and just doing little things, little votes, Little Hillary Clinton here, a little something there, that. No, that’s an elitist position. You can afford to keep on taking these baby steps. But when you think about the people in Watts and you think about the people in Baltimore, and you think about a lot of our people in the hoods in Chicago, they can’t wait in terms of our people dying and the economy being so rigged against the people. The people don’t have your patience. So on the next election. For you Negroes who just want to keep on doing little small things here and there and just wait and just, “We’re going to keep on doing this”. Don’t try to shame Black folks who do not vote. I choose to vote in most cases, but I would never shame Black people who withdraw from the system. You don’t have a automatic democratic party kind of gun to your head where you have to vote and you’re going to just keep taking the lesser of two evils until you die and pass that onto your children. Just vote Democrat. Just vote Democrat. No matter what, just keep on voting Democrat. We’re going to keep on doing this until we die. Okay, let’s pass this onto the children. Let’s pass this onto the grandchildren. Just vote Democrat. Just vote Democrat.

41:22 —Jamarlin Martin: So yes, the vote is a weapon, but not voting is also a weapon. That’s one of your options. So if you have an issue with Chuck Schumer, if you have an issue with Cheri Bustos, who runs the DCCC, if you have an issue with Nancy Pelosi, if you have an issue with Dianne Feinstein, if you have an issue with the true rulers of the Democratic Party and their lobbyist friends and allies, foreign countries and corporations. If you have an issue with the rulership in the Democratic Party, you can choose to vote for someone to take out these corrupt and impotent leaders. You can vote, or if there’s not a good option from your individual view, you can choose to stay home. It doesn’t make sense for the people to worship Malcolm X, to worship Muhammad Ali. You worship all these people when they’re dead. But when it’s time to take a more radical, a more aggressive stance against the Democratic Party in America, you’re scared to do that, right? You just worship dead leaders when they’re gone. But the people who have more radical views, including not voting, meaning that the option of voting for a Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi Cheri Bustos, I don’t want to just, it’s not enough for me to get another Bill Clinton, a Joe Biden, a Hillary Clinton. It’s not exciting for me. The change in the vision that you’re offering. It doesn’t excite me. That is an okay position.

Jamarlin Martin: Okay. The last thing I want to talk about is false moral equivalency. And so another thing I spotted in the Barack Obama speech, a More Perfect Union speech was a Obama comparing the great Rev. Wright’s speech to racists. So, not only white people do that, right? You expect white folks to look at that and be like, “Oh man, that guy’s radical. He’s talking about racism and that sounds bad.” But Barack Obama himself in the speech compared Rev. Wright’s words to racists and Michelle Obama in her book, her highly successful book, when she touched on Rev. Wright, her former pastor, she compare Rev. Wright’s speeches to stereotypes that white people have of Black people. And so you’re starting to see more and more Negro elites. Charles Blow in the New York Times, he called Nat Turner a mass murderer. That could just be like a simple Twitter mistake, but you’re starting to see a pattern of Negro elites say that when the Black person is using language, aggressive language, trying to get the boot off her neck. And I’m not talking about that little place of it. I’m talking about institutions, right? The institutionalization of white supremacy. I’m talking about systems. When the Rev. Wright speaks out, the Obamas, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, both said that it’s comparable to white people stereotyping black people.

45:30 —Jamarlin Martin: And so this is problematic. This is, this is super dangerous because the Black people who have a history of vicious oppression, slavery, the institutionalization of white supremacy. That is not comparable to someone at Google or someone at Facebook not hiring a sister because she has braids or because she’s from Compton. The data says that there’s discrimination based on your resume, what type of stuff you revealed. The Black names, they get penalized more. That’s what white folks are saying. That’s not me. That’s not any Black person. That’s what the white folks have said with the data. But if the people that lack power in the trying to challenge the people entrenched within power, Barack Obama and Michelle Obama and others are starting to say that this stuff needs to be put into the same pot of Gumbo. It’s like the same thing. We’re all the same. We all have the same power and the structures, there’s no real nuance. The white American in the Black American, there’s no nuance between them in terms of the history. So, you should really look out for people, mainly people who are getting checks. There’s going to be more so, folks who are eating well and getting good checks, and they’re endorsed by the establishment, they’re more likely going to say, “Hey, when Rev. Wright talks about white people, it’s just like the KKK or white folks talking about Black people, there’s no real difference. There is no real nuance.” So I’m gonna leave this episode with the Rev. Wright, the great Rev. Wright was always right. Let’s GHOGH!